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Post by RainWarrior on Dec 15, 2009 14:57:39 GMT -6
I have been taught to offer prayers with a pipe in the Lakota ceremonies, it often frustrates me the way people take smoking the pipe lightly. I was wondering what our traditional Tsalagi customs are with the proper respects of the pipe. For example my elder stores hers always apart so the spirits can't pass through the house and that it is disrespectful to go into a museum and see one hanging on the wall put together because it isnt a decoration. Also for typical medicine bags I know you typically make them yourself but is it okay in Tsalagi culture to make one for a loved one? Smudging is also practiced with our tradition correct? We sing a special song with the Lakota people when putting the pipe together does Tsalagi custom have a song? Do we even use a pipe?
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Post by 2shadows on Dec 16, 2009 18:12:15 GMT -6
osiyo! YES..the pipe was/is used by the tsalagi..I dont know of a pipe song per se i think we need to ask the adawehi.. but...there is this information www.birdclan.org/pipe.htmthat may help |
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Post by DancingRedHawk on May 10, 2010 6:50:11 GMT -6
In the way I was taught, the Cherokee tradition certainly shows that we used the pipe for prayer, however the pipe was not given the sacred status that the Lakota give to it. There were many different kinds of pipes - ceremonial pipes, personal pipes, family pipes. etc. In Cherokee culture, the tobacco is what was sacred. There is an "old tobacco" with links to the Mayan peoples that was treasured and used only at certain times. The tobacco was kept and honored as a sacred gift, the pipe was just the instrument. This is very different from Lakota concepts and other cultures where the pipe is the most sacred thing of all.
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Post by dnatureofdtrain on Jan 20, 2011 16:54:10 GMT -6
I was gifted a prayers to do with a pipe that was even given .. after a woman in a dream told me to tell the lady with the pipes my dream, and pass along a message to her. I call this my Heinzist Fool Moon ritual, so it is not mistaken for our Native prayer pipe ceremonies.. I heard our cherokee ways had many kinds of prayer pipes.. I have not participated and do not know the ways of our Traditiona Cherokee and Lakota prayer ceremonies.
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